1 00:00:37,910 --> 00:00:16,100 [Music] 2 00:00:42,549 --> 00:00:39,670 ufos in congress 3 00:00:44,950 --> 00:00:42,559 by charles lear it's official 4 00:00:47,270 --> 00:00:44,960 unidentified aerial phenomena exists 5 00:00:49,190 --> 00:00:47,280 the pentagon takes the subject seriously 6 00:00:50,069 --> 00:00:49,200 but no one can say if aliens are 7 00:00:52,069 --> 00:00:50,079 involved 8 00:00:54,150 --> 00:00:52,079 this is according to the unclassified 9 00:00:55,590 --> 00:00:54,160 report from the office of the director 10 00:00:57,510 --> 00:00:55,600 of national intelligence 11 00:00:59,670 --> 00:00:57,520 that was delivered to congress this past 12 00:01:01,029 --> 00:00:59,680 friday the fact that congress is 13 00:01:03,110 --> 00:01:01,039 interested in the subject 14 00:01:05,109 --> 00:01:03,120 of what have long been known as ufos has 15 00:01:07,030 --> 00:01:05,119 gotten quite a bit of media attention 16 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:07,040 ever since the report was commissioned 17 00:01:11,750 --> 00:01:09,600 in legislation passed in 2020 18 00:01:13,670 --> 00:01:11,760 but this is not the first time congress 19 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:13,680 has shown an interest in the subject 20 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:16,479 in the 1960s ufos were discussed in 21 00:01:20,310 --> 00:01:18,240 congress on two occasions 22 00:01:22,390 --> 00:01:20,320 both times prompted by concerns that 23 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:22,400 publicly funded ufo studies 24 00:01:28,149 --> 00:01:26,080 were not being taken seriously in 1966 25 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:28,159 there was a series of ufo sightings in 26 00:01:30,310 --> 00:01:29,920 michigan that got the attention of the 27 00:01:32,390 --> 00:01:30,320 press 28 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:32,400 and the air force there was a great deal 29 00:01:35,510 --> 00:01:33,360 of excitement 30 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:35,520 in project blue book the code name for 31 00:01:40,870 --> 00:01:37,520 the air force's ufo study 32 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:40,880 scientific consultant dr j allen heineck 33 00:01:44,710 --> 00:01:43,680 was sent in to help calm things down at 34 00:01:47,270 --> 00:01:44,720 a press conference 35 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:47,280 he offered some possible explanations 36 00:01:51,429 --> 00:01:49,119 due to sightings over a marsh 37 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:51,439 he speculated that people there had seen 38 00:01:55,510 --> 00:01:53,520 ignited balls of swamp gas 39 00:01:57,270 --> 00:01:55,520 some going out and others igniting and 40 00:01:58,069 --> 00:01:57,280 that this created the illusion of 41 00:02:00,069 --> 00:01:58,079 movement 42 00:02:02,389 --> 00:02:00,079 the swamp gas explanation made the 43 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:02,399 headlines and outraged many michigan 44 00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:03,119 residents 45 00:02:07,670 --> 00:02:05,280 including michigan representative and 46 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:07,680 house minority leader gerald ford 47 00:02:12,869 --> 00:02:11,360 he sent a letter dated march 28 1966 to 48 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:12,879 the chairman of the science and 49 00:02:15,990 --> 00:02:14,160 astronautics committee 50 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:16,000 and the armed services committee 51 00:02:20,070 --> 00:02:17,840 suggesting that one of them schedule 52 00:02:22,150 --> 00:02:20,080 hearings on the subject of ufos 53 00:02:24,229 --> 00:02:22,160 he mentioned heineck's explanations in 54 00:02:25,030 --> 00:02:24,239 the letter and in a press release that 55 00:02:26,949 --> 00:02:25,040 same day 56 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:26,959 it is noted that he described heinek's 57 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:28,560 swamp gas explanation 58 00:02:31,750 --> 00:02:31,200 as flippant documents relating to ford's 59 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:31,760 efforts 60 00:02:35,270 --> 00:02:33,920 and the resultant open hearing are 61 00:02:38,309 --> 00:02:35,280 housed at the gerald r 62 00:02:40,150 --> 00:02:38,319 ford presidential library museum the 63 00:02:41,550 --> 00:02:40,160 armed services committee held an open 64 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:41,560 hearing on april 5th 65 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:44,160 1966 there to answer questions for 66 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:46,480 secretary of the air force harold brown 67 00:02:49,589 --> 00:02:48,480 director of project blue book hector 68 00:02:51,589 --> 00:02:49,599 quintanilla and 69 00:02:52,790 --> 00:02:51,599 heinek when the session was opened to 70 00:02:54,630 --> 00:02:52,800 the press and public 71 00:02:55,910 --> 00:02:54,640 the first person to answer questions 72 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:55,920 from the committee chairman 73 00:03:01,030 --> 00:02:59,040 l mendel rivers was harold brown brown's 74 00:03:03,110 --> 00:03:01,040 answers reflected a belief that most 75 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:03,120 sightings could be explained in prosaic 76 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:03,760 terms 77 00:03:08,070 --> 00:03:06,000 and that any remaining unidentifieds 78 00:03:09,750 --> 00:03:08,080 were due to lack of information 79 00:03:11,110 --> 00:03:09,760 heinek was next and he started by 80 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:11,120 stating that he was treated 81 00:03:14,470 --> 00:03:14,000 rather unfairly by the press l mendel 82 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:14,480 rivers 83 00:03:17,589 --> 00:03:16,480 responded you ought to be chairman of 84 00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:17,599 this committee 85 00:03:21,990 --> 00:03:19,760 hanukk then added that he was described 86 00:03:22,790 --> 00:03:22,000 by the press as a puppet of the air 87 00:03:24,789 --> 00:03:22,800 force 88 00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:24,799 in response he had prepared a written 89 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:26,959 statement and he was allowed to read it 90 00:03:30,789 --> 00:03:29,280 heinek declared that he had attempted to 91 00:03:32,869 --> 00:03:30,799 remain open-minded 92 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:32,879 throughout his involvement despite the 93 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:34,720 fact that the whole subject 94 00:03:41,270 --> 00:03:37,360 seemed utterly ridiculous he mentioned 95 00:03:43,990 --> 00:03:41,280 that he'd recommended in 1953 and 1965 96 00:03:45,670 --> 00:03:44,000 that a small civilian scientific panel 97 00:03:48,309 --> 00:03:45,680 be used to study selected 98 00:03:49,030 --> 00:03:48,319 unknowns heineck then told rivers that 99 00:03:51,110 --> 00:03:49,040 he'd been 100 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:51,120 scooped by brown who'd mentioned that 101 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:53,040 the scientific advisory board 102 00:03:57,070 --> 00:03:55,040 a group put together to review project 103 00:03:58,309 --> 00:03:57,080 bluebook released the report in march 104 00:04:00,789 --> 00:03:58,319 1966 105 00:04:02,869 --> 00:04:00,799 had recommended the same now under 106 00:04:04,869 --> 00:04:02,879 pressure from congress and the public 107 00:04:05,990 --> 00:04:04,879 the air force was moved to act on that 108 00:04:08,229 --> 00:04:06,000 recommendation 109 00:04:09,830 --> 00:04:08,239 the civilian scientific panel would turn 110 00:04:11,429 --> 00:04:09,840 out to be a group put together at the 111 00:04:14,229 --> 00:04:11,439 university of colorado 112 00:04:15,509 --> 00:04:14,239 led by dr edward u condon this would 113 00:04:17,430 --> 00:04:15,519 become known as the 114 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:17,440 condon committee and evidence of 115 00:04:21,749 --> 00:04:19,519 negative bias on the part of condon and 116 00:04:24,150 --> 00:04:21,759 the project's coordinator robert lowe 117 00:04:25,189 --> 00:04:24,160 prompted another discussion of ufos in 118 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:25,199 congress 119 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:27,120 some representatives felt there was a 120 00:04:32,150 --> 00:04:29,520 need to evaluate the colorado study 121 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:32,160 after public comments made by condon to 122 00:04:36,550 --> 00:04:34,880 the effect that ufos were nonsense 123 00:04:38,390 --> 00:04:36,560 for some time the national 124 00:04:39,189 --> 00:04:38,400 investigations committee on aerial 125 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:39,199 phenomena 126 00:04:43,909 --> 00:04:42,000 led by major donald kehoe retired have 127 00:04:45,990 --> 00:04:43,919 been lobbying congress for hearings on 128 00:04:47,670 --> 00:04:46,000 the air force's handling of the ufo 129 00:04:49,510 --> 00:04:47,680 problem and had managed to gain 130 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:49,520 supporters one of these was 131 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:50,320 representative 132 00:04:54,350 --> 00:04:52,960 louis c wyman of new hampshire on 133 00:04:57,830 --> 00:04:54,360 october 17 134 00:04:59,189 --> 00:04:57,840 1967 wyman introduced house resolution 135 00:05:01,029 --> 00:04:59,199 946 136 00:05:02,230 --> 00:05:01,039 it called for the committee on science 137 00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:02,240 and astronautics 138 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:04,320 to conduct a full and complete 139 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:05,360 investigation 140 00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:08,240 and study of unidentified flying objects 141 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:10,560 in a house floor speech to gain support 142 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:11,840 for his resolution 143 00:05:17,510 --> 00:05:15,360 wyman referred to nycap and ufo evidence 144 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:17,520 a publication nycap had prepared and 145 00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:19,360 sent to every member of congress 146 00:05:23,350 --> 00:05:21,120 in an effort to show that the ufo 147 00:05:25,510 --> 00:05:23,360 subject should be taken seriously 148 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:25,520 representative j edward rausch of 149 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:27,520 indiana was sympathetic with wyman's 150 00:05:30,070 --> 00:05:28,080 views 151 00:05:31,909 --> 00:05:30,080 but he thought the action called for by 152 00:05:33,830 --> 00:05:31,919 the resolution was premature 153 00:05:35,189 --> 00:05:33,840 as the results of the colorado study 154 00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:35,199 hadn't been released 155 00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:37,600 roush proposed a symposium instead and 156 00:05:40,870 --> 00:05:39,520 through his efforts one was arranged 157 00:05:42,790 --> 00:05:40,880 where six scientists 158 00:05:45,029 --> 00:05:42,800 would present their views on the subject 159 00:05:47,590 --> 00:05:45,039 before the committee on astronautics 160 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:47,600 the symposium on unidentified flying 161 00:05:51,430 --> 00:05:48,240 objects 162 00:05:53,909 --> 00:05:51,440 was held on july 29 1968 163 00:05:54,870 --> 00:05:53,919 among the scientists invited to speak 164 00:05:57,749 --> 00:05:54,880 were heineken 165 00:05:59,350 --> 00:05:57,759 atmospheric physicist dr james mcdonald 166 00:06:02,550 --> 00:05:59,360 and noted astronomer dr 167 00:06:05,990 --> 00:06:02,560 carl sagan other scientists including dr 168 00:06:08,710 --> 00:06:06,000 donald h menzel dr r leo sprinkle 169 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:08,720 and stanton t friedman submitted written 170 00:06:11,830 --> 00:06:09,759 statements 171 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:11,840 friedman whose place of employment is 172 00:06:15,830 --> 00:06:13,520 listed as the westinghouse 173 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:15,840 astronuclear laboratory would later 174 00:06:19,830 --> 00:06:18,000 become a well-known ufo lecturer 175 00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:19,840 and achieve celebrity status in the 176 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:22,160 field heineck was first to speak 177 00:06:26,309 --> 00:06:24,160 and during the majority of his statement 178 00:06:26,950 --> 00:06:26,319 he made the case for scientific ufo 179 00:06:29,909 --> 00:06:26,960 study 180 00:06:31,990 --> 00:06:29,919 with international cooperation he ended 181 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:32,000 by recommending that congress establish 182 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:34,960 a ufo scientific board of inquiry 183 00:06:39,270 --> 00:06:37,840 mcdonald was up next mcdonald had become 184 00:06:41,110 --> 00:06:39,280 interested in ufos 185 00:06:42,550 --> 00:06:41,120 after investigating sightings in his 186 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:42,560 home state of arizona 187 00:06:46,309 --> 00:06:44,479 and was one of the first scientists 188 00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:46,319 willing to publicly come forward 189 00:06:49,350 --> 00:06:48,240 and advocate for the serious study of 190 00:06:51,589 --> 00:06:49,360 ufos 191 00:06:53,589 --> 00:06:51,599 mcdonald briefly summarized the ufo 192 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:53,599 problem and then gave details of 193 00:06:57,189 --> 00:06:54,880 individual cases 194 00:06:59,270 --> 00:06:57,199 and his investigations of some of them 195 00:07:01,270 --> 00:06:59,280 he concluded his summary by stating that 196 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:01,280 the possibility that ufos or 197 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:03,120 extraterrestrial devices 198 00:07:07,909 --> 00:07:06,160 is a possibility i take very seriously 199 00:07:10,469 --> 00:07:07,919 he concurred with heinek's view that a 200 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:10,479 worldwide ongoing scientific study was 201 00:07:12,870 --> 00:07:11,280 called for 202 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:12,880 and urged the committee to hold more 203 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:14,840 extensive hearings on the subject of 204 00:07:20,309 --> 00:07:18,160 ufos dr carl sagan spoke next 205 00:07:22,390 --> 00:07:20,319 he said that it was his understanding 206 00:07:23,510 --> 00:07:22,400 that the committee wanted him to discuss 207 00:07:26,550 --> 00:07:23,520 the possibility 208 00:07:28,390 --> 00:07:26,560 of intelligent extraterrestrial life he 209 00:07:30,469 --> 00:07:28,400 told the committee that he was delighted 210 00:07:33,029 --> 00:07:30,479 to speak about the contemporary 211 00:07:34,550 --> 00:07:33,039 scientific thinking along these lines 212 00:07:37,189 --> 00:07:34,560 he let it be known that it was his 213 00:07:40,070 --> 00:07:37,199 belief that the evidence of intelligent 214 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:40,080 extraterrestrial origin for ufos was not 215 00:07:43,990 --> 00:07:43,039 persuasive but evidence that no ufos are 216 00:07:46,790 --> 00:07:44,000 of that origin 217 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:46,800 was not convincing he felt the question 218 00:07:50,469 --> 00:07:47,360 was 219 00:07:51,909 --> 00:07:50,479 an open one after a slide presentation 220 00:07:53,990 --> 00:07:51,919 where he showed the limits of our 221 00:07:55,990 --> 00:07:54,000 optical technology to detect 222 00:07:57,909 --> 00:07:56,000 civilizations on other planets 223 00:07:59,670 --> 00:07:57,919 and provided a sense of perspective on 224 00:08:02,309 --> 00:07:59,680 our position in the universe 225 00:08:04,309 --> 00:08:02,319 sagan took questions he was asked about 226 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:04,319 electrical pulses detected by sir 227 00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:05,440 bernard lovell 228 00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:07,680 that level couldn't explain and sagan 229 00:08:11,909 --> 00:08:09,199 replied that these were from 230 00:08:13,430 --> 00:08:11,919 objects called pulsars he said that 231 00:08:15,909 --> 00:08:13,440 while there were problems with the 232 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:15,919 hypotheses presented to explain them 233 00:08:19,110 --> 00:08:18,000 one should exclude all physical 234 00:08:21,350 --> 00:08:19,120 explanations 235 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:21,360 before concluding that some intelligent 236 00:08:25,270 --> 00:08:23,120 being was involved 237 00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:25,280 sagan began his conclusion by pointing 238 00:08:29,029 --> 00:08:26,960 out that the scientific method 239 00:08:30,869 --> 00:08:29,039 calls for keeping an open mind while 240 00:08:32,709 --> 00:08:30,879 pursuing the facts at hand 241 00:08:34,230 --> 00:08:32,719 with that said he brought attention to 242 00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:34,240 the fact that there were none on the 243 00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:34,880 panel 244 00:08:39,430 --> 00:08:36,800 who strongly disbelieve in the 245 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:39,440 extraterrestrial origin of ufos 246 00:08:43,829 --> 00:08:41,680 as far as recommending funds for ufo 247 00:08:44,470 --> 00:08:43,839 study he felt that money was better 248 00:08:46,949 --> 00:08:44,480 spent 249 00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:46,959 on the programs of nasa and the national 250 00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:49,040 science foundation radio astronomy 251 00:08:53,350 --> 00:08:50,160 programs 252 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:53,360 now almost 53 years later ufos are in 253 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:54,560 congress again 254 00:08:58,389 --> 00:08:56,080 with the release of the office of 255 00:09:00,630 --> 00:08:58,399 defense national intelligence report 256 00:09:03,030 --> 00:09:00,640 while the report was inconclusive there 257 00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:03,040 was this interesting recommendation 258 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:07,120 the uaptf unidentified aerial phenomena 259 00:09:10,070 --> 00:09:08,080 task force 260 00:09:11,829 --> 00:09:10,080 has indicated that additional funding 261 00:09:13,590 --> 00:09:11,839 for research and development 262 00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:13,600 could further the future study of the 263 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:16,000 topics laid out in this report 264 00:09:19,829 --> 00:09:17,920 such investments should be guided by a 265 00:09:23,350 --> 00:09:19,839 uap collection strategy 266 00:09:24,710 --> 00:09:23,360 uap r d technical roadmap and a uap 267 00:09:27,110 --> 00:09:24,720 program plan 268 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:27,120 so while the symposium failed to prevent 269 00:09:29,910 --> 00:09:29,120 the air force's termination of project 270 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:29,920 blue book 271 00:09:32,949 --> 00:09:31,760 based on the negative conclusions of the 272 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:32,959 condon report 273 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:35,200 congress now has the opportunity to 274 00:09:48,829 --> 00:09:37,920 revive dod study of the uap 275 00:10:06,670 --> 00:09:49,980 requested